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In-Universe / Out-of-Universe; Debate-related
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 26 2014, 08:00 AM (880 Views)
+ Pyrus	Jun 26 2014, 08:00 AM Post #1
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	A good friend of mine recently rustled my jimmies with his unstoppable assault in a debate where he ended my reign of terror in one swift strike of his blade. God, it hurt. But it got me thinking about this. When you're in a debate, how do you handle "in-universe" and "out-of-universe" answers? Are there times where "out-of-universe" is unacceptable and others where it's the only explanation? Do you only seek "in-universe" answers and if there isn't one, what do you do? Edited by Pyrus, Jun 26 2014, 08:01 AM.
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SSJ	Jun 26 2014, 12:26 PM Post #2
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I think out of universe is good when there is very little in-universe evidence, or when all of the in-universe answers have been used already.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Jun 26 2014, 09:12 PM Post #3
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I think out-of-universe is somewhat okay to use in a debate, since it's possible the author thinks of different ideas similar to our speculations during his work process and our reading.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Jun 26 2014, 10:41 PM Post #4
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	well obviously it depends on the situation, the stuff we have to work with ect... but i think both work more so in universe but out of universe works to. ur go to answer should be in universe though with some exceptions this friend wouldn't happen to be Canadian and on another forum with u would he Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Jun 26 2014, 10:50 PM.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 26 2014, 11:37 PM Post #5
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I always try to give out-of-universe context to debates. I find that my arguments are more consistent than trying to sort through plotholes and inconsistencies. For example, I think it's completely impractical to think that the multiplier for SSj stayed 50x through-out the whole series. Toriyama obviously didn't think of it in this context in the Boo Arc, and we can see this from mountains of circumstantial evidence in feats. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 26 2014, 11:49 PM.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker	Jun 26 2014, 11:50 PM Post #6
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	yeah i mean i whole heartily disagree that piccolo meant what he said about gotenks being stronger then his previous self



Saberoph	Jun 26 2014, 11:59 PM Post #7
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	It's obvious that Post ROSAT Base Gotenks was nothing compared to Super Boo, considering how badly he got his a*** handed to him. So, when you have a statement that says one thing, but then you have more physical evidence that shows the opposite... I think the viewer/reader should rely on common sense to figure out what is true and what isn't. Now, to be more specific... sure The Namek says one thing, but the fact that Base Gotenks took that beating and still had the energy to go SS and SS3 and was about to finish the fight, should show where his Base is.
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SSJ	Jun 27 2014, 12:27 AM Post #8
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Guys there is a thread right beside this one for Gotenks.



+ Emmeth	Jun 27 2014, 12:28 AM Post #9
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I use Out-Of-Universe explanation maybe too often Though, it's really only as a last resort.
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+ Clearin	Jun 29 2014, 03:53 PM Post #10
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I have a question relevant to this. How serious should Bootenks quote of being the strongest Majin be? It's insanely likely that Toriyama hadn't thought of Buff Boo at the time, and therefore would not have been on his mind when he made that quote.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 29 2014, 03:56 PM Post #11
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	There is an In-Universe and an Out-of-Universe answer for everything. You just have to find them.
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SSJ	Jun 29 2014, 04:07 PM Post #12
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Clearin Jun 29 2014, 03:53 PM I have a question relevant to this. How serious should Bootenks quote of being the strongest Majin be? It's insanely likely that Toriyama hadn't thought of Buff Boo at the time, and therefore would not have been on his mind when he made that quote. I think it should be very serious in my opinion. While I agree that Buff Boo probably hadn't been thought of yet, Buff Boo still came before Gotenks-Boo in the canon timeline. Therefore he should be stronger than Buff Boo, and even Pure Boo who was stated to exist first. So that could actually be used as evidence against the Pure Boo supporters.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 29 2014, 04:10 PM Post #13
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I don't see what's wrong with Buutenks claiming he's superior. You kinda have to believe Buff Buu is stronger than Buutenks for that to be an issue, which I don't believe. Like Super Saiyan said though, that is ammo against the Pure Buu supporters, so nice find.
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+ Clearin	Jun 29 2014, 04:13 PM Post #14
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I'm fine with believing the quote, I just brought it up here because it's so relevant to the topic. Out of universe the quote almost certainly didn't include Buff Boo, but in-universe it works fine.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 29 2014, 05:35 PM Post #15
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Clearin Jun 29 2014, 03:53 PM I have a question relevant to this. How serious should Bootenks quote of being the strongest Majin be? It's insanely likely that Toriyama hadn't thought of Buff Boo at the time, and therefore would not have been on his mind when he made that quote. I don't really know how this is relevant considering that Boohan's power was said to drop significantly after everyone was removed and he reverted back to Super Boo. He only started to gain power again as Buff Boo after he'd already reverted. Chances are that the gap between Super Boo and Bootenks was larger than the gap between Super Boo and Buff Boo, so the chain remains. Unless of course, I'm missing the context in which this was stated. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 29 2014, 05:37 PM.
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